@Swapnil One correction, Jolla still hasn't failed - they still produce the OS, they just stopped making the hardware - they are licensing the OS for companies that do.

@Swapnil Btw, if you have any further questions about Halium, I'm sure Bhushan will gladly answer them / give an interview :)

@colomar As usual, I DID talk to him before I wrote the story. We had an over 40 mins long telephonic discussion. :-)

@Swapnil Oh, cool then! I didn't realize because most of the things in the article were already mentioned in the blog post. Often the articles you write after interviews have a higher percentage of things not yet mentioned elsewhere.
Maybe it's like that this time because Bhushan has already put most the relevant things in that post

@colomar Right, coz since it's the beginning there is not much extra stuff. That was the reason I held back my story to talk to him first and delayed it.

@colomar @Swapnil isn't the actual problem less with the software and more with firmware and the like?

@sri @colomar That's true and we did have a discussion around that, but I wanted to focus on the positive bits to keep them motivated instead of talking about obstacles even before their first steps.

@sri @Swapnil That's why they've chosen the path of libyhbris and the Android HAL, to be compatible with the binary driver and firmware blobs written for Android which can't be reverse-engineered.

@colomar @Swapnil Well it is important to understand the obstacles, because there are a lot of cross licensing that happens between these hardware vendors. Especially, one should look at why something like Tizen failed given a major hardware vendor and a major cellphone/tablet manufacturer.. Understanding that issue might help some.

@shellkr @colomar @Swapnil Well, can you go to the store and by a tizen based phone? The only place I am aware of a Tizen phone is India.

@sri @Swapnil @colomar Yes, it has not been pushed that much if watches and TV is not counted. It does still exist though.

@sri @colomar Fully agree, but that also involves talking to a lot of parties. Since the project is such an early stage, I don't want to approach bigger players to talk about at this stage. Once their prototype is out and if some organization shows interest in funding/supporting it then I will start talking. I am not going to talk to LF/Tizen about it at this stage :-)

@Swapnil @colomar Makes perfect sense. Let's hope something comes out of it, having a top to bottom Free as in freedom phone would be a boon. It will also spur the market - bringing competition and innovation.

@sri @colomar TBH, I doubt it. Smartphone is all about 'convenience', comfort of the PC in your palm. We need commercial grade services like Maps, Uber, YouTube, Netflix and what not. Without that, it's basically useless. That's what happened to Ubuntu - it was a great platform, but there were no applications.

@Swapnil @colomar - yep, and also licensing stuff like the LTE modem and what not, dealing with the cellular operators which is probably one of the biggest issues.

@sri I agree with @Swapnil : The base system should be as Free as possible, but taking a fundamentalist stance and trying to lock out any proprietary applications does not help any operating system. A Free Software mobile OS should not _force_ any proprietary software onto users, but should still allow them to install it if they like.

@Swapnil @sri @colomar You can do as Jolla + Alien Dalvik... also the Chinese and Indian market is super huge. A small percentage of that market is enough and could eventually build up to something.

@shellkr @sri @Swapnil Also, be aware of a big difference: Halium is driven by communities, not companies. A company will only invest into something if it's commercially viable. Communities invest their time into a project as long as it has value to _them_, regardless of the size of the market. They also can work on it as long as they are interested, not as long as they have cash left. This allows them to survive under much harsher conditions than a commercial project.

@sri @Swapnil I am not a developer, so what I'm saying might be incorrect, but from what I understood the big difference between Tizen and Halium is that Halium uses the Android HAL + libhybris to be compatible with firmware written for Android, while Tizen does not.

That means that Halium took the pragmatic route: Allowing the use of non-free binary blobs in order to vastly improve hardware compatibility.

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