@dansup @michelamarie 5 years of CS taught me a lot of cool stuff. But about 0 practical things for Web development. Sure foundations and so on... but also relatively little focus. If you know what u want, time can be spent much better

@Transflux @dansup Well, I won't dispute that, or suggest that there's anything wrong with not having a degree (absolutely not!).

That said, college and university give one so much more than just the foundations in a given profession, be it CS, finance, or what ever.

The thing is, a university education teaches one *how* to learn, and how to think rationally. Then, it shows one how to put that knowledge and thinking to work on hard problems.

@Transflux @dansup Then there's all those other courses that are required for a degree -- languages and literature, math, Earth sciences, social sciences, economics, philosophy, that are instrumental in developing one's understanding of the world and how to operate within it. People often seem to underestimate those, but I am quite convinced they are at least as important for one's life and career as those directly applied to a major.

@Transflux @dansup Finally, there's information like this (bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/unemploy).

At the *macro* level, people with university degrees simply make a lot more money, and are a lot less likely to find themselves unemployed or automated out of a job.

Of course, that's statistically speaking. So there are plenty of examples of people without degrees who make just as much money, and are just as unlikely to be unemployed, but it is not usual.

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@michelamarie @dansup I agree on everything :), and of course the facts... are facts. Ethics should be mandatory for all sciences. Now with ml, it becomes more apparent. Philosophy of science... but 5 years for orientation.... :abloblamp:

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