@strypey there is nothing wrong with Telegram crypto, that "don't roll your own" is just an excuse
@charlag but you can start a secret chat (e2e encrypted) with 200+ millions of users. Plus calls are always e2e encryped (of course).
@charlag with e2e encryption enabled by default Telegram wouldn't had been able to deliver an user experience that can compete with proprietary services because most feature depends on its cloud-based model. Also Telegram doesn't sell user data or use them in any way.
Improving secret chats would be welcome of course.
Telegram doesn't have a business model.
@alexl well, WhatsApp and Wire are both commercial products and they very much deliver it with e2e.
We don't know what it shares or sells because it's not e2e nor a public entity.
@charlag Whatsapp doesn't have e2e encryption, it claims so, but without the source code of the clients we can't know.
And Whatsapp is a service by Facebook. Its business model is collecting users data. If Whatsapp really has e2e encryption what it collects are metadata, because I doubt Facebook does beneficence.
@alexl I don't trust them either. I just provided some examples. "Experiences" is a very poor excuse for security and privacy (some Russian opposition politicians been in trouble because police hijacked cellular and logged into their accounts. Shouldn't have happened.)
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