Brave is showing up in my newsfeeds again, so

Periodic reminder that Brendan Eich, the CEO of Brave Software, is a homophobe who donates to anti-LGBT organizations.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't use the browser. But you should probably be wary of any monetization attempts, since we know where that money will go.

@alexl @SwooshyCueb It's not fake news.

Brendan Eich's contributions are well documented by many major news sites.

There's a detailed page @ which cites numerous sources, all with links to verify.

@alexl @SwooshyCueb Prop 8 in California was some of the most obvious anti-LGBT legislation possible. It was about defining marriage as being between *only* a man and woman.

Brendan Eich donated money in favor of that bill. It's on record.

While Brendan might or might not personally attack people for their way of life, He definitely donates against them, made clear by the prop 8 donation, among other similar donations.

@alexl Acting against LGBT is being "homophobic".

(Technically, the phobic suffix means "fear of", but people who are homophobic aren't really afraid of gay people like they're afraid of spiders or heights or any other "phobic" words.)

But you're splitting hairs here.

The terms anti-LBGT or homophobic both do apply toward a vote to a proposed law to forbid non-straight people from having the right to marry.

Eich publically spent his cash to forbid non-straight people from marrying.

@alexl (Also, I'm replying from my phone, where I don't see the toot I'm replying to. Therefore, I'm using a summation of the ideas in the tweet to reply to, not the exact quoted words. I'm not "doubting" anything.)

@alexl I'm also not saying to stop using Brave or that Eich may have changed.

I boosted that toot because Eich has donated his money *several times* to causes and candidates that do have a homophobic, anti-gay, anti-LGBT stance and people should make an informed decision of what they want to support.

If people support Brave, then Eich will get money which he will probably (if past behavior is repeated) donate to causes that hurt the LGBT community.

@alexl However, how many other organizations and companies do we support that directly (through the organization itself) or indirectly (through prominent members) do bad things?

It's probably impossible to escape.

But this is one of those less murky times, especially when there are alternatives that are clearer.

(Google Chrome not being one of those alternatives, of course. 😉 I'm talking about Firefox & WebKit browsers. Most Chromium forks are almost all too Google-y.)

@alexl People shouldn't restrict the rights of other people, regardless of reason (especially for inherent characteristics of a person), if the people aren't hurting others in any way.

@alexl Circling back:

Eich is on public record and is unapologetic about giving his money to forbid people from basic rights.

I'm thankful for his work making JavaScript and during his time at Mozilla. And having browsers that aren't 100% Google-owned is an import thing.

...but *leaders* shouldn't spend effort and money restricting basic freedoms of people.

He might be a nice guy in person, but he has (unapologetically) hurt others indirectly though his donations.

@alexl Public record is the history of past actions.

Having an opinion is one thing. Acting out on it is another.

If someone did something wrong, they can apologize and not do that wrong thing in the future.

If they do not apologize and they do not stop doing the wrong thing, then that's an issue.

This is especially even more of an issue for those considered leaders.

@alexl I have other reasons to not use Brave as a primary browser, such as:

1. It uses the Google Chrome engine. It's a good engine, but I'm not happy placing the de facto browsing experience for the world in Google's hands. We need people using other browser engines for the health of the Internet.

2. Brave swaps out site ads for their own. It feels a bit scummy. This is debatable and just an opinion, however.

@alexl I haven't tried Brave in a while.

I did try it out as I am interested in and need to use a lot of different browsers for web development related work. But haven't for a while, as it should render identically to Chromium.

I should probably look at the ad swapping and Etherium crypto-currency they use at some time, just out of interest.

My main browsers are various versions (stable, nightly, and preview for Android) of Firefox on desktop and mobile.

@alexl Yeah, Mozilla used to be embedable years back. I'm also happy they have GeckoView and Android Components.

Hopefully GeckoView will be used by even more browsers on mobile (non-Mozilla ones) and perhaps even on desktops.

@alexl I don't like an Inquisition, but Eich and Stallman (among several others) were extremely crappy (in different ways) to people multiple times, and never apologized and never tried to change their ways.

If they cannot apologize and change their ways, they simply shouldn't be leaders.

That's what this has been about.

(Although, I'm sure there's been some collateral damage for some people too. 😣)

@alexl FWIW: I've been around Stallman in person when he's been crappy toward others. I've witnessed it myself and walked out in bad talks he gave.

I've personally talked with members of the FSF about his behavior too.

This was all years ago, but it happened multiple times and I'm not the only one who has been witnessed it or brought it up, trying to get it changed.

I'm thankful for the work of RMS, but I'm happy he's not in a leadership position finally. He did a lot of damage. 😢

@alexl Stallman's ideas about Free Software are great.

The problems with Stallman are his extremely sexist views (including comments and weird actions toward women), his ableist slurs, and publicly positing that he thinks it's OK to have sex with minors (and that they could even give consent) — multiple times over the years, even.

The sexism blocked and drove away a lot of women from the free software community and sometimes even from computers altogether.

Sign in to participate in the conversation

The social network of the future: No ads, no corporate surveillance, ethical design, and decentralization! Own your data with Mastodon!