@angristan I was managing a clusterfuck of Ubuntu boxes in 2006. Back then it was a thin varnish on Debian unstable. Testing was in absolutely great shape.

LTS, on the other hand, removed half the user space apps when Oracle bought Sun. Because the package needed to be renamed and there was no upgrade path. It didn't just remove Java apps, either. Thunderbird, etc. went too.

@angristan
All because people read too much into the names of things. "Testing" (very stable) "Long Term Support" (broke every week).

And ofc the naming politics surrounding the JVM.

No one forced them to remove the old name. In real distros you get a proxy for the transition period. In real *LTS* distros you don't f with it in the first place.

@angristan

This is exactly why we are currently migrating all our servers to Debian.

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