it seems to mine on every public page, I hope it doesn't do it the logged-in interface...
also, using a miner is not 100% wrong, it's another kind of economic model.
I personally think it's cancer as fuck though.
@angristan For the record, I see nothing wrong with running a miner for a website that is *provided to me for free*, on three conditions:
1. it is clearly communicated to all your users how and why are you doing this;
2. there is a very visible and accessible opt-out setting;
3. it is not set up to use all of the users' processing power.
I absolutely get the incentive behind the move. Running a server costs money. Attention needed to be an admin of a moderately popular website also has value.
@angristan It's not like they need my personal information for this. And it's not like they're putting my machine or myself at any significant risk. All they're asking of me - is crunch a couple of (thousands of) hashes, which I'm very able to do, not like there's any significant work involved.
However mastodon.host admin did not provide any notification nor they have given an opt-out. This is a dick move.
I wouldn't however overdramaticize this. It's a viable model if done right.
@angristan Oh yes, and of course, in this case there should be no context ad banners on the site, because fuck ad networks and fuck trackers. But I thought it would be obvious by this time.
@feld @angristan a very nice model to make money would be to ask users to engage in machine learning on a voluntary basis - I think it could be a viable business model for a company (AI training and paying people for providing humans to exercise the machine) - same thing as Google reCaptcha does but as a platform.
I could help distinguish a few cats & dogs for a site I like to read articles on before being granted access.
Personally I would love to see cryptocurrency mining as a payment option to replace ads, and also as a replacement for CAPTCHAs which also happens to make the site a little money and pays the admin to clean up after any spambots that decide it's worth it to do the mining to create accounts.
But my main problem with ads is the lack of consent. People should be given a choice BEFORE they have to see the ad or do any mining. Preferably even before they click the link but that requires new tech.
@dewb Yeah doing it without consent is not at all OK. At least ads are inherently transparent since you have to see them for them to be worth anything. I only support mining as a (voluntary) option for services that already feel the need to have ads or require subscription fees.
@dewb Everyone looking at a web site has a CPU and the electricity to power it. Not everyone has a credit card or even bank account or wants to look at ads. And even if they are OK with ads, a lot of smaller sites struggle to even make enough money off of ads, especially if the demographic they target isn't that desirable to advertisers.
@seanl oh I understand that fully, however once the damage has already been done it's hard to win back the trust, across potentially all severs. Even if there are good servers with trusty admins that communicate with their community everytime a change is about to go live.
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