@angristan "Yeah, but check out all their amazing FREE features!"

Centralizing the internet has never gone bad for anyone, ever, in the history of internets.

I thought Switter was hosted in a country where FOSTA/SESTA don't apply?

@tcit @otini They were using Cloudflare as a CDN - a thing that sits between the actual server and the end-user, and mitigates some of the load/bandwidth on the actual server.

@Gargron @tcit I see. So these is not a fatal blow for Switter

@angristan This is one reason why I call them #Clownflare. Thing is, lots of people praised them for doing the same thing to the Daily Stormer, which means Clownflare is treating sex workers as if they were fucking Nazis.

@starbreaker @angristan It shows how people want rules put in place to block content they don't want but take it back when the repercussions affect then negatively. Once anything starts getting banned or blocked, it's a slippery slope for everything afterwords

@deejoe @angristan I did that on purpose. The meaning you read into the sentence implies that Clownflare is falsely accusing sex workers of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

@angristan Matthew Prince (Cloudflare CEO) said when he banned The Daily Stomer:

"Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power."
(gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-)

Looks like he's getting a little more comfortable with it.

@kevinja @angristan I wanted to actually go work for Cloudflare, but it seems things are not as good as they used to be there, from what I heard quite a few on engineering team jumped the ship few months back...

@angristan So probably the most outrageous thing is that literally the only other case of them shutting anyone down was the white supremacist site. Implicitly saying that sex workers are as bad as white supremacists. Smh

@Gargron @angristan switter.at seems up and running from my end? So I assume they're just not behind Cloudflare anymore?

Yeah, another link to add to my long list of "don't rely on corporate overlords"

@thufir @Gargron @angristan any hacker conference with a strong digital human rights bend. CCC, IFF, etc.

@rysiek @Gargron @angristan corporate policing at its finest.

When your aim is to be the middleman between everything and everyone, you don't really have that luxury.

@gargron @angristan

when they banned the nazis, they took years to finally do it and the ceo had an existential crisis over it

they banned switter on a whim and the ceo isn't having a meltdown

they're saying sex workers are *worse* than white supremacists

@vi @angristan @Gargron that's not really the case. Dropping hate groups isn't necessarily a legal issue, but, at least in the US after recent laws, dropping switter absolutely is a legal issue. When it comes to priorities for companies, legal always trumps moral, right or wrong. The problem here is with US law, not Cloudflare. I for one am glad a decentralized solution exists so the people can just find another DNS provider and continue on expressing their freedom.

@badstate @gargron @angristan

There's no law making it illegal to do the same immediate public handwringing they did after banning the nazis.

@vi @angristan @Gargron @badstate yes, this. no law forbids them from making a fucking ruckus about having their hand forced in that way. staying silent and not issuing a warning *was* a choice.

@Gargron @angristan the irony is that even if they did have issue with the content, it is probably syndicated across the Fediverse and served up by other instances that are using Cloudflare as a CDN. They really couldn't avoid serving the content unless they stopped services on every instance.

@gargron @angristan the CEO unilaterlly chose to take down the Daily Stormer, and it was by most measures a hugely popular action. On the other hand taking down a sex worker site has been criticized extensively, and he was probably compelled by the government to do so.

Switter was probably also at more risk, because it facilitated commerce for illegal services.
@angristan
In other news, the sun rose this morning

Honestly if you weren't expecting this to happen you either didn't know they used cloudflare or just weren't really thinking

@angristan
And we're going to trust these people with our DNS searches?

@angristan ohfortheloveof...

It's "just" the CDN, sure, but good luck finding a CDN which isn't a giant corporate entity with crappy policies.

@angristan On the positive side, thousands of people who need message pravacy are no longer being MITM'ed
@angristan wow, a company honored its terms of service. shocker.
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