this looks fun to read
Are VC companies on drugs or something https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/29/the-crusade-against-open-source-abuse/
basically, MongoDB is trying to create a new definition of copyleft, so they can apply it only for #services. Gotta love those ambiguous terms, "service" and "value"
The end of the story seems to be that it's just not possible to make an open source license significantly better than the AGPL for now because there's always potential loopholes when trying to define online stuff. Either you adapt your business model to open source, or do what MongoDB is trying to do and adapt the idea of open source to your business model - which the OSI finds unacceptable
@bob I know perfectly well about Commons, it's SSPL the one I didn't know anything about
@espectalll At first few glances, this doesn't seem like a bad thing? Just asserting copyleft harder.
@anjum The problem is how you actually make that copyleft. You can't just set specific terms by purpose, trying to keep it all copyleft seems to always leave loopholes (you can always run code in more convoluted ways that get out of a definition), and to get out of that issue you would have to include software that's not directly related to get copylefted
It's always GPL for me
Kiss and greets go to rms
@Skoll3 keep in mind that article isn't from the people doing SSPL
SSPLv1 isn't considered open source and v2 is still having a hard time being accepted by the OSI due to the weird way they're trying to do copyleft
@feld actually that's exactly the issue they claim to have, that they're not getting contributions back because of loopholes on AGPL making it too permissive
@feld ...yeah, sure, but here they're claiming they're just not profiting in any way from what companies like Amazon or Microsoft do. They make their own modifications and don't even share them or have to pay a penny, they claim.
@feld @espectalll amazon linux is the path of least resistance if you want a rpm-based distribution running on your aws cloud instances: it has preinstalled all the aws bits you need for easily managing those boxes at scale. By making it easier to choose that over installing and paying for rhel - they aren't beating redhat at redhat's game, they're making their own rules up for a completely different game.
Lots of drugs. The worst kind.
To be honest I highly doubt that the managing director of Bain Capital shares Rms Stallman's passion for libre software aka "open source". "Free "as in free beer, not something vulture capitalist like ;) same with "freedom to innovate". These corporation aholics smash intention of good in science and engineering
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