@espectalll if you use permissive licenses you don't have to worry about abuse

@feld actually that's exactly the issue they claim to have, that they're not getting contributions back because of loopholes on AGPL making it too permissive

@espectalll If your software is not trivial and if your software is being actively developed people don't successfully fork it. It's much easier to submit your changes upstream than to pay a team to constantly try to rebase their fork. This has been proven time and time again in the BSD ecosystem. Those who fork regret it and suffer the consequences of millions of dollars of technical debt.

@feld ...yeah, sure, but here they're claiming they're just not profiting in any way from what companies like Amazon or Microsoft do. They make their own modifications and don't even share them or have to pay a penny, they claim.

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