so, I tried to uninstall all trash from a test account in my Xperia, including Google Play Services...

so uhh

the Play Store icon is still there

I don't like this

hey, at least I can disable it

and I did just that

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so uhh

I think I uninstalled the only way to install APKs...?

yeah, on a non-Google Android system it should be com.android.packageinstaller, but maybe Google modified the APK installer?

alright new user

and it SUCCEEDED!?!


btw the Play Store is actually called com.android.vending

uninstalling that too

this is so forbidden and good it must be lewd

sorry for not CWing

wow lewd 

this is what a Google-less unrooted Xperia looks like on first boot

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On the left, my regular account, has Google.

On the right, my test account, has no Google.

Now, there's things that are left unanswered for now. Can you uninstall Play Services with an already used account? Can you run adb somehow before the phone boots up for the first time, so you can make sure you have a 100% clean Android session? Can you automate the deletion every time you add an account, particularly with guest accounts? Is there any hidden backdoor I have yet to notice?

This is still amazing though, mind you

can't install microG, guess that if you uninstall Play Services you are opting out of all apps that require it

WhatsApp seems to work without Play Services, I'm not willing to give them a number to try out tho. I do know things such as location should be based on it tho :thinkingcat:

Is there any specific Play-only app I should look at?

A cute detail of the Aurora Store is that it tells you whenever apps are GSF (Play Services) dependent or not

Sadly, most Play apps aren't, and most GSF dependent apps will unavoidably crash

Trying to give a try to uninstalling Play Services with my main account, I just realized why it's not possible: it's set as a device owner (the closest thing to root in a non-rooted Android), which cannot be undone unless from inside the app itself - something that I doubt Google wants me to do.

So yeah, only three ways to properly uninstall Play Services:

- find an exploit in the Play Services app,
- find an explot in Android itself, OR
- wipe the device

There's also another challenge: if you uninstall every input method provided by the system, you won't be able to type your password in an encrypted phone unless ADB is enabled.

Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this one.

Actually, that only applies with safe mode, so I think we're safe here

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@calm ah stop you're gonna make me cum :blobcatblush:

wow lewd 

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@calm you should fuck your computer tbh, it deserves it for delivering you the good news

@15F9 I'm not trading a little faster (which isn't even true when compared to nightly Firefox or GeckoView) for an outdated browser version maintained by people who don't even have time for it, honestly

@espectalll well, on new terms, Falkon replaced ffox in my Slackware XFCE machine, runs great with a fake Android UA. I am still with OpenBSD, but Slack is needed for work. At least it runs predictabily well with my MESA slackbuild upgrade from the old OpenBSD release.

@15F9 Hmm, it's QtWebEngine so you're still supporting Google's monopoly and some rather subtle and questionable technical choices, but I guess that's worth not complaining much about :blobcatthinking:

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@espectalll Location *can* be provided by Google services, but it can also be provided purely by the GPS in your phone if you don't have the Google provider installed (in that case location will take a longer time to get a fix and only work outside, but it'll still work)

@espectalll and it's possible to install Mozilla's location provider instead and use their WiFi database for assisted GPS

@vurpo ...but if Whatsapp tries to create a map using Google Maps, will that work?

@espectalll That I don't know about actually, but the Google location services is entirely separate from the Maps embedding thing (so embedded Maps views might break while location itself keeps working)

@espectalll microG replaces GPlay, so no, it should be installed when you have removed GPlay Services. And also signature spoofing needed

@espectalll does if you have spoofing in your ROM, which presumably you don't. Hence you need root for XPOSED spoofing patch.

@espectalll oh jibbers, would love to do this but i still need whatsapp and stuff. :)

@claudiuscluever WhatsApp may in fact work! Try it out by creating a second user account (if you need help I'll publish proper instructions)

@claudiuscluever (also tip: you can share stuff between accounts, like Whatsapp backups, by putting it at android/obb)

@espectalll will check back in with you when i am on lineageOS, thanks so far!

@espectalll does this work just like that or do you need root/a certain version of android/a phone from a relatively nice company like Sony? Just adb?

@claudiuscluever I don't know if it has to be a nice company specifically, although I wouldn't be surprised. All I know is that I did this specifically not to need root.

@espectalll no, that's just a GUI client for the real installer

@bugaevc I know, but there's no other way to install APKs on a secondary account in an unrooted Android

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