oh of course
alright let's try this out
the Play Store icon is still there
I don't like this
hey, at least I can disable it
and I did just that
I think I uninstalled the only way to install APKs...?
I guess it's com.google.android.packageinstaller
yeah, on a non-Google Android system it should be com.android.packageinstaller, but maybe Google modified the APK installer?
alright new user
and it SUCCEEDED!?!
LIKE, EVEN THE PLAY SERVICES?!?!?!?!?!?!?
WOW THIS IS A MOOD
btw the Play Store is actually called com.android.vending
uninstalling that too
this is so forbidden and good it must be lewd
sorry for not CWing
this is what a Google-less unrooted Xperia looks like on first boot
On the left, my regular account, has Google.
On the right, my test account, has no Google.
Now, there's things that are left unanswered for now. Can you uninstall Play Services with an already used account? Can you run adb somehow before the phone boots up for the first time, so you can make sure you have a 100% clean Android session? Can you automate the deletion every time you add an account, particularly with guest accounts? Is there any hidden backdoor I have yet to notice?
This is still amazing though, mind you
WhatsApp seems to work without Play Services, I'm not willing to give them a number to try out tho. I do know things such as location should be based on it tho
Is there any specific Play-only app I should look at?
A cute detail of the Aurora Store is that it tells you whenever apps are GSF (Play Services) dependent or not
Sadly, most Play apps aren't, and most GSF dependent apps will unavoidably crash
But hey. Snapseed works. And that's all that matters.
This is what peak performance looks like
Trying to give a try to uninstalling Play Services with my main account, I just realized why it's not possible: it's set as a device owner (the closest thing to root in a non-rooted Android), which cannot be undone unless from inside the app itself - something that I doubt Google wants me to do.
So yeah, only three ways to properly uninstall Play Services:
- find an exploit in the Play Services app,
- find an explot in Android itself, OR
- wipe the device
There's also another challenge: if you uninstall every input method provided by the system, you won't be able to type your password in an encrypted phone unless ADB is enabled.
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this one.
Actually, that only applies with safe mode, so I think we're safe here
This phone is basically begging to be wiped, I'll do a few more backups and then I'll dab on em spies
Current mood: struggling to find out how to prevent the Play Services from becoming the device owner
Apparently you need to do NFC provisioning to set a device owner... and how do you do that?
Apparently it can download the device owner/device policy controller/admin app from the Internet. I'm afraid it probably relies on Google Play for that, though.
what the hell, apparently there's even a more unknown QR provisioning mode
AHHHHHHHHH I JUST FOUND OUT HOW TO TELL ANDROID WHERE TO DOWNLOAD THE APK FROM
I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A CUSTOM APP THAT REPLACES GOOGLE PLAY
Installed a demo app. The moment of truth, let's see if I can uninstall Play Services with this one!
wait, can there be *two* device policy managers?
I kept trying
and it worked somehow
Basically, I just tried to uninstall every Google package except com.google.android.packageinstaller and com.google.android.webview, I think that was it
@espectalll Icecast runs sightly faster than Firefox
@15F9 I'm not trading a little faster (which isn't even true when compared to nightly Firefox or GeckoView) for an outdated browser version maintained by people who don't even have time for it, honestly
@espectalll well, on new terms, Falkon replaced ffox in my Slackware XFCE machine, runs great with a fake Android UA. I am still with OpenBSD, but Slack is needed for work. At least it runs predictabily well with my MESA slackbuild upgrade from the old OpenBSD release.
@15F9 Hmm, it's QtWebEngine so you're still supporting Google's monopoly and some rather subtle and questionable technical choices, but I guess that's worth not complaining much about
@espectalll it's not blink, it's webkit.
@espectalll Location *can* be provided by Google services, but it can also be provided purely by the GPS in your phone if you don't have the Google provider installed (in that case location will take a longer time to get a fix and only work outside, but it'll still work)
@vurpo yeah, but you know, Google Maps
@espectalll and it's possible to install Mozilla's location provider instead and use their WiFi database for assisted GPS
@vurpo ...but if Whatsapp tries to create a map using Google Maps, will that work?
@espectalll That I don't know about actually, but the Google location services is entirely separate from the Maps embedding thing (so embedded Maps views might break while location itself keeps working)
@vurpo yeah, but you know, Whatsapp may crash and stuff
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