@espectalll The admin world of mastodon really is pure cancer tbh. It's mostly just butthurt people who want to bulk-block absolutely everything for the smallest offense.

I can't view them as anything other than control freaks who want to micromanage their whole social network experience to fit their wishes.

I'm with Angristan in the fact that I believe the purpose of the fediverse is to give control to users, so they can do what they want.

But good lord there's so many instances out there that just mass block and then users from these instances go around parading that you're a shitty admin because you don't block instances like others did, even though they're not even a member of your instance.

People are free to create whatever instances they want, but you'd be amazed how many instances out there don't even inform users what instances are blocked or why, and how many of them are just admins getting drunk on power.

But really the worst part about being an admin is getting hordes of people who call you a nazi just because you refuse to block <insert any instance that's been politically relevant in the past 30 minutes>.

@espectalll Luckily, when you're a pleroma admin, you often avoid this hell, because admins the instances that foster these kinds of obnoxious users who tell you how to do your job, just tend to auto-block all pleroma instances on sight because they think pleroma automatically means we're nazis lmao

@quad @espectalll just imagine how much good could be done if mastodon was transparent on blocks so much bullshit could be avoided.

@jeff @espectalll I think they've been trying to add a page to Mastodon which lists blocked instances for ages now.

But they can't get the changes passed because 90% of the comments are these lefties complaining that by displaying blocked instances whatsoever you're "advertising for them"

I dunno about you, but if you make everything so taboo that just mentioning it is illegal, the whole world would go to shit, that's north korea level stuff.

Regardless people have kept that thing back by complaining about how it "advertises" for the instances they block. I dunno if that's still the case though, I very rarely browse mastodon repos

@quad
I'm lucky to be on an instance that doesn't block instances as a matter of policy. Naturally accusations of supporting Nazis were hurled directly at #Purism.
@espectalll @jeff

@terryenglish @jeff @espectalll @quad what is this weird antifa tactic that has been spreading among 'liberals' these recent years? Hysterical outcry at allowing 'too much freedom' is so ludicrous to me.

@igeljaeger A lot of the antifa stuff is frighteningly similar to the rhetoric as some of those who hold the banner of Islamic Jihad.

Just watch Deeyah Khan's 2015 documentary "Jihad: A Story of Others" and you'll see what I mean.

@espectalll @jeff @terryenglish @quad

@djsumdog @terryenglish @jeff @espectalll @igeljaeger I'm not exactly familiar with Jihad. But from what I know about nazis, they seem way too close to that

@quad
Yeah and people would know who to join
@jeff @espectalll

@quad @espectalll @jeff That's hilarious. I didn't find Gab or Freespeechextremist by delving into Mastodon.social seeking out their banned instance list. No one does that. I mean who would even know to look? A programmer with that insight can also duckduckgo 'evil free speech sites full of Hitler' and have a list in five seconds flat.

@quad @espectalll Angristan burned out? A shame, I liked that guy.

As one of the most experienced fedi admins (like none of the pre-SPC instances are up anymore. I came like a week later.) I can just give everyone the advice that appeasement doesn't work. If you just take it easy and let shitters block you then you'll live a long and happy fedi life. If you try to accomodate them though then all you get is endless nagging and negativity because "surely he has be secretly a nazi!".

@nepfag @quad it's not like he tried to appease people nor like you can claim you aren't secretly a nazi tbh

@espectalll @quad Nothing secret about it ​

@nepfag @quad well at least there's that...?

@nepfag @espectalll You'll get way more shit on you for just being a mastodon admin rather than a pleroma one.

I used to get like 5 people a week complaining about my instance when I ran Mastodon, even though I only had 10 users or whatever.

They legit run around complaining about instance admins being bad just for the sake of complaining. And THEY. NEVER. STOP. NEVER.

At least they didn't until I moved to Pleroma, probably because they just block Pleroma on sight rather than trying to shit on the admin

@quad @nepfag @espectalll
>they just block Pleroma on sight rather than trying to shit on the admin
the Pleroma privilege

@quad @espectalll That sounds like advanced autism.

@nepfag I'll second this. These people make a living moving the goalposts @quad @espectalll

@dude @nepfag @espectalll @quad professional victims = SJW in a nutshell.
Tumblr raised a generation of entitled retarded babies.

@static why couldn't they stay on tumblr instead of shitting up this place? @espectalll @nepfag @quad

@dude @espectalll @quad @nepfag @static

i used to use tumblr a lot, but for porn. only ever talked to people on message boards

@xj9 I had a good friend of mine that tried to get me into it. He was there mainly for music and art. I tried it but could never get into it.

@dude i know some local artists that use tumblr for that reason. trying to get them to join fedi, but its hard.

@xj9 I wish I could get my boy to join but he mainly preferred to chat through fb. Maybe my brother can reach out for me. He makes some killer music https://soundcloud.com/seied

@dude @xj9 time to update my fediverse dox directory, I guess
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@roka feel free. You can add pretty much any of the artists from the 90's Denver EDM scene as friends and associates of mine. Not exactly a secret @xj9

@dude @xj9 eh, I was joking orz

@roka no worries. I'm just waking and clearing my notifs. So I'm not all here yet @xj9

@dude @xj9 I started to use tumblr for a while, but strangely it felt like I could sink hours into looking up images and it wasn't all that productive. Twitter eventually won my attention back since it didn't last. As we know, fedi won my attention after twitter.

@sim same, I mainly used twitter before here. Before that I was pretty nomadic @xj9

@dude @xj9 Yeah. I would frequent different forums before deciding that I liked twitter's format better.

@xj9 @dude @espectalll @quad @nepfag i liked Blogspot, but that's because 4chan and IRC figured out a way to scam adsense

it's funny, the way Tumblr bloggers and 4chan bloggers raise scratch is completely different. 4chan scammed fortune 500 companies and shared tools to do it, Tumblr has to hunt down paypigs one by one and suck them dry before moving on to the next one

@static @espectalll @quad @dude @nepfag

now that i think of it, most of my time on social media in my teens was spent on darknet image boards. i didn't start using reddit until after i graduated high school and i didn't hang around for very long. i used that one anonymous moose app for a while, but then i was back on darknet image boards and FOSS mailing lists and eventually found fediverse.

@xj9 We all know you're an avid "hacker" news user. You are the top google result for "no richard it's linux" after all.

@nepfag @xj9 you mean tranny news

@nepfag you're just jealous because i'm good at trolling SV fags

@xj9 sv?

@nepfag silicon valley

@static @espectalll @quad @dude @nepfag

i've always enjoyed music blogs, but they never felt very social to me.

@dude @espectalll @nepfag @quad they ran out of people to fund their patreons / gofundmes and ran out of punching bags in their own.... what's that word they love? SPACES?

slight detour but i have found it so disgusting watching how SJWs did a better job destroying the American Left from the inside than 100s of years of effort from capitalists, cops, nazis etc combined .
Turns out it's a lot easier to "cancel," blackmail, harass, etc nerdy soyboys who like reading old philosophy and getting high than it is to fight biker gangs & riot cops.

@static
It says a lot that when gab came, the pleroma side of fedi responded by trolling them, while the mastodon side responded by ripping each other apart. (It also says a lot that this is still a step up from tumblr in that respect.)
@dude @espectalll @nepfag @quad

@hushpiper @static @dude @quad @espectalll @[email protected] This thread is a bad look, "SJWs" is a poorly defined boogie man loved as a far-right punching bag. Which "SJWs" are you even referring to? I haven't seen anyone destroying the American Left, other than major parties/companies that feel threatened.

@unlofl >"SJWs" is a poorly defined boogie man loved as a far-right punching bag. Which "SJWs" are you even referring to?
read the thread, we were specifically talking about the crowd that came here from tumblr @nepfag @espectalll @quad @static @hushpiper

@dude ... my client is fucking with me and not scrolling, oops.

@dude @unlofl @espectalll @hushpiper @nepfag @quad tumblr-style "leftists" aka rad-libs / "progressive" liberals. SJW doesn't mean activist, it doesn't mean communist, it doesn't mean feminist, it refers to a specific subset of "leftists" who are very into e-begging, "cancel culture", that performative "woke" nonsense, etc.

@static Ah, gotcha. I normally only hear it used as a catch-all by "centrists", you know, the right-wing "centrists"

Yeah, "clickbait and drama for social justice" is not praxis

@unlofl
GG ruined the term SJW tbh, it can't really be used anymore without running into that very issue :/ I don't know of a good term that expresses "radfem, except for social justice", which is a pity bc there are a lot of those.

Regarding the other: it's not exactly hard to find articles bemoaning how callout or cancel culture is pulling us apart, and I remember seeing a lot of commentary discussing how it affected the presidential election. FFS the Russians literally used it as part of their disruption campaign. If you haven't seen any of this then you and I clearly hang out in very different leftist circles.
@espectalll @quad @dude @static

@static @dude @espectalll @nepfag @quad Isn't it a dream scenario though? the right destroyed itself by sheer stupidity in the 80s and 90s with those ridiculous religious scares over pokemon and other silly things.

SJWs destroy the left, and we're finally rid of the crazies on both sides. After authoritarian nightmares on both ends, people will just want a breath of libertarian ideas, and finally everyone will be able to concern themselves with their own business, and not everyone else's.

@nerthos @dude @espectalll @nepfag @quad SJW is the same thing as "lefties" who thought FPS games produced mass shooters, vapes turn teens into smokers, rap music incites gang violence , made an amendment to outlaw alcohol , very cool! I hate sin!

@dude or at least brought the curation scene with them if they had to migrate. as it stands now we got the worst elements of tumblr with very little of the best.
@static @espectalll @nepfag @quad

@depaving maybe the worst of tumblr/ mastodon will eventually neutralize the worst of gab and the rest of us can just take it easy @espectalll @nepfag @quad @static

@dude I just want a scene of wallflowers who post esoteric art & memes and are mostly too shy to do anything beyond reblogging the esoteric art & memes posted by their favorite mutuals
@espectalll @nepfag @quad @static

@depaving I don't see a problem with that. It's the never ending lynch mobs that drive me crazy @espectalll @nepfag @quad @static

@dude
The wallflowers running aesthetic blogs are actually pretty great, if it was just that then I'd probably still hang out there, nsfw ban and all. But I'm much less enthused about the mobs and callouts and feeding each other cookies filled with needles.
@depaving @espectalll @nepfag @quad @static

@hushpiper Same. I still use tumblr but I've curated the fuck out of my follows so The Discourse rarely leaks in. Which means low traffic and not much conversation. Just art & ideas.
@dude

@depaving
I've wanted to bring the curation culture over tbh but lack of reblog-tags + the nature of federation makes it difficult. There's some gorgeous shit over on pawoo that a lot of people just never get to see. I've considered making alts corresponding to different tags, but idk 🤔
@dude

@hushpiper sounds like a good use for groups @depaving

@dude
They're working on those for pleroma, right? I will 10/10 devote myself to posting and boosting pretty shit if they get that implemented. (Tho iirc they still wouldn't let you add tags to someone else's post, right? So alts would still be necessary.)
@depaving