this is what a Google-less unrooted Xperia looks like on first boot
On the left, my regular account, has Google.
On the right, my test account, has no Google.
Now, there's things that are left unanswered for now. Can you uninstall Play Services with an already used account? Can you run adb somehow before the phone boots up for the first time, so you can make sure you have a 100% clean Android session? Can you automate the deletion every time you add an account, particularly with guest accounts? Is there any hidden backdoor I have yet to notice?
This is still amazing though, mind you
can't install microG, guess that if you uninstall Play Services you are opting out of all apps that require it
WhatsApp seems to work without Play Services, I'm not willing to give them a number to try out tho. I do know things such as location should be based on it tho
Is there any specific Play-only app I should look at?
A cute detail of the Aurora Store is that it tells you whenever apps are GSF (Play Services) dependent or not
Sadly, most Play apps aren't, and most GSF dependent apps will unavoidably crash
But hey. Snapseed works. And that's all that matters.
This is what peak performance looks like
Trying to give a try to uninstalling Play Services with my main account, I just realized why it's not possible: it's set as a device owner (the closest thing to root in a non-rooted Android), which cannot be undone unless from inside the app itself - something that I doubt Google wants me to do.
So yeah, only three ways to properly uninstall Play Services:
- find an exploit in the Play Services app,
- find an explot in Android itself, OR
- wipe the device
There's also another challenge: if you uninstall every input method provided by the system, you won't be able to type your password in an encrypted phone unless ADB is enabled.
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this one.
Actually, that only applies with safe mode, so I think we're safe here
This phone is basically begging to be wiped, I'll do a few more backups and then I'll dab on em spies
Current mood: struggling to find out how to prevent the Play Services from becoming the device owner
Apparently you need to do NFC provisioning to set a device owner... and how do you do that?
Apparently it can download the device owner/device policy controller/admin app from the Internet. I'm afraid it probably relies on Google Play for that, though.
what the hell, apparently there's even a more unknown QR provisioning mode
AHHHHHHHHH I JUST FOUND OUT HOW TO TELL ANDROID WHERE TO DOWNLOAD THE APK FROM
I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A CUSTOM APP THAT REPLACES GOOGLE PLAY
Installed a demo app. The moment of truth, let's see if I can uninstall Play Services with this one!
wait, can there be *two* device policy managers?
I kept trying
and it worked somehow
Basically, I just tried to uninstall every Google package except com.google.android.packageinstaller and com.google.android.webview, I think that was it
Firefox, sweet Firefox
I just realized a mistake of mine
there's no camera app in here and I don't know why???
I know where the APKs are but I get INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_NO_CERTIFICATES
Maybe adb shell cmd package install-existing can do it
Yup! That worked!
It should also work as a way to restore Play Services, funnily enough - so that's pretty flexible!
Just decided to randomly try out Jami (ex-Ring) again since I need an SMS client for Android
oh hey it looks SLICK
Also works way better than before at a first glance, everything synced seamlessly
Apparently though it's a phone app but not an SMS app?
OK, so two things: first, I found a cute FOSS SMS client, it's called QKSMS https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.moez.QKSMS
Second, Jami has a really really good way to manage profiles and devices that keeps it all secure and P2P and nice - just make sure to keep your password safe and it's all
I really really want to try out Jami with someone right now - I know I won't be using it daily because it lacks stickers, though
I also noticed their official fedi account is here on mstdn.io
top 10 epic fail gamer moments
Decided to try out Etar as my calendar app.
It's Pretty Darn Good™️
I can also set it to "all day" and It Just Works™️©️®️
damn, this is may be better than Google Tasks
This is an aesthetic
(keep in mind NetGuard reports so much battery usage in part because all web traffic is filtered through it)
In the meantime I have: downloaded and installed apps like OSMand, read articles, watched/scrolled through videos on 4G, listened to hours of music with Bluetooth headphones, connected a keyboard and an USB drive (but yeah, the screen usage is low)
powered by a year old, 2870 mAh battery
lately it was lasting for half a day of usage, probably because of spending energy blocking Play Services - but with a regular setup, it would last for a day as long as I didn't use it much
I would say that now that I have uninstalled Play Services, seeing the initial results, it should be able to last for 2-3 days without recharging, even when actively used for stuff like video playing/recording. Stay tuned
Well, I would say we can call this a success (it's been more like 4 days)
funny to think that, even without Any sign of Play Services, Internet usage is still the #1 cause of battery drain. If I had used the phone more actively though, that may have changed to the screen.
ok phone is in 2%, I doubt it's lasting 3 or 4 more hours, I'm charging it
@espectalll k-9 mail is a great app. I've been using it for years
@espectalll you might just stop doing it.
@Pervertor what and why
@espectalll this thread longer
@espectalll i'm jealous
@Ste1lar don't delay, uninstall Google today
@espectalll the tread is ultra mega long... you mean its a google free smartphone rom???
@Ste1lar no, I just uninstalled Google Play Services from my stock Sony Android
@Ste1lar the relevant parts are:
- wipe phone
- on the welcome screen, tap six times to get a secret QR reader
- scan QR code for installing an app like TestDPC
- uninstall that app and all Google apps (except the package installer and the web engine)
this may not even be necessary, I've been told it's possible to uninstall it from an existing account as well
@espectalll so it will completely stop privacy sucking? (exept tracking via the sim card)
I get 7 days of battery life on a Pixel 3 I never use by simply switching on airplane mode. If you want to keep cell data, you can simply not sign in with a Google account and not install any app that does it's own polling (LINE, WhatsApp, Facebook, k9mail...)
@kurisu basically, no Play Services + battery saving mode + making sure I don't leave the network/phone on when I don't need to
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