It's funny because VPNs will become (largely) obsolete as soon as DoH properly kicks in, as you'll be hiding your traffic from your ISP anyway.

I doubt it makes it to China, though, since they only use plain HTTP anyway (I wonder why). And you can still take advantage of hiding your IP from the servers themselves, although Tor is more fitting for that.

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@espectalll Some governments mandate IP bans as well, so DoH won't be enough, I think.

@tennoseremel yeah uhh, that didn't go very well last time they tried

@espectalll Depends on your definition of very well. Of course there are always other ways to go around that :)

@tennoseremel no, like, most of the Internet went down in Russia when they tried to block Telegram by IP

@espectalll Not really most, just large chunks of it. And they are still doing it. And not every site is capable of doing what Telegram is doing.

@tennoseremel most of it yes, because AWS is huge and most websites depend on some form on it

...and yes, that's why there's big ones like Cloudflare which have no chance of being blocked without taking everything down

@tennoseremel (also, you can still put your DoH behind one of the big ones)

@espectalll As far as I see, the only use for VPNs I've ever seen is to evade bans from forums and being able to watch catch up TV from different countries. Never took the security aspect of VPNs seriously.

@espectalll Not 100% hidden since ISPs will still know with what websites what IP addresses are usually associated (depends on if the server hides behind something like cloudflare of course)

@espectalll They can see that you just made a DoH request and then immediately afterwards contacted IP address X, so they know you requested some domain name which resolves to X

Which can *sometimes* reveal what you're browsing or doing

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