Hey netizens, please, *please* stop doing unpaid marketing work for YouTube by embedding their videos on your websites. I understand continuing to upload videos there to reach the large audience that already use it, but that doesn't mean you have to link to them. If you also upload your videos on a #PeerTube instance, or some other more independent video host, and embed those on your sites, you can help to grow the audience for ethical video hosting networks.

@strypey Another option: host the videos yourself.

It doesn't have to be complicated, just put the file on your server and link to it with a <video controls> tag.

> on your server

I don't have a server. Most net users don't have a server. If publishing text on the web, let alone video, required having a server, the net would still be a niche medium for geeks like it was in the early 90s.

@strypey Well, I was assuming that if you had a website you had *some sort of* server you could upload media to...

And how I wish browsers built in one of those peer-to-peer DHT protocols? That'd partially adress the need for a server, though you'd still need one for reliability.

> I was assuming that if you had a website you had *some sort of* server you could upload media to

Fair point. But most net users don't have a website on their own server. They use some kind of third-party service like Wix or Squarespace, for the same reasons they upload video to YouTube; a) they can't afford the hosting fees, and b) they don't have the skills to admin their own server. This is why I'm suggesting replacement web services. It's accessible to anyone.

@strypey Wix & Squarespace can't host videos?

Wouldn't be the first time Wix surprised me...

> Wix & Squarespace can't host videos?

Not on the gratis plan. Maybe on some of the more expensive paid plans. Again, there's a reason people use YouTube (or Vimeo or other corporate datafarms).

@strypey @alcinnz
In my experience, people host videos on YouTube or Vimeo because even a small number of hits will eat into your data (bandwidth) allowance in no time. A 100k webpage versus 100MB video makes a huge difference.

@fitheach And a habit of recording video and putting it on your server means a further step from hosted to virtual server rental to having a physical server with some hardcore raid setup I don't understand. I administer servers now (mostly rental, one a community favour), but video storage is impractical on all of them.

@strypey @alcinnz

Even the cheapest VPS offers, often come with 20GB. That potentially could be a lot of videos. That wouldn't be the problem. If you had some popular videos your cheap VPS probably couldn't support the requests, and your bandwidth would be gone in no time.

@strypey @alcinnz

@fitheach @krozruch @strypey And still there's ways around that bandwidth problem, primarily BitTorrent. How I hate how much that's been villified?

@alcinnz ... which brings up back to PeerTube, which uses WebTorrent, which uses BitTorrent, and which non-geek webmasters can use to upload their videos to existing instances and embed those on their sites, which is a solution that is accessible to people *now* ;)
@fitheach @krozruch

... and it's as slow as treacle. I'll grant you, I've not watched that many videos from PeerTube, but they have all stuttered or stopped. Sorry, that is just the truth.

I'm not on some superfast fibre broadband, but then not all users are. I rarely, if ever, had problems with YT or Vimeo, for example.

@alcinnz @krozruch

@fitheach @krozruch @alcinnz @strypey

bit torrent can stream HD video just fine. if there's a problem with peertube its that servers don't do enough proactive seeding to help keep the swarms healthy.

if you want proof download webtorrent.io and grab a popular video torrent from somewhere.

@xj9 @krozruch @alcinnz @strypey @fitheach > if there's a problem with peertube its that servers don't do enough proactive seeding to help keep the swarms healthy

Yeah, that's exactly the issue, and yes, it happens. People usually can't spend that much on servers and it's extremely rare to have viewers constantly seeding every video you upload.

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@espectalll the other problem is the disconnect between #WebTorrent and #BitTorrent swarms. Ideally, people could share bandwidth with PeerTube instances from home by downloading PT videos using a normal BT client and seeding them. But it doesn't seem to work this way.
@xj9 @krozruch @alcinnz @fitheach

@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @krozruch @espectalll

yeah you need a hybrid client for that. web browser peers can only speak the web rtc protocol so they can only peer with mainline torrent clients indirectly through these hybrid peers.
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