There are some people in Debian who insist on misgendering and deadnaming trans- or non-binary people. There are others who get upset if the first group is criticized or told to stop. All of these haters are part of why I don't want to be in the Debian project anymore.
There are also people in Debian who are kind, wise, and suppotive to a degree that is incredible. Unfortunately, it's not enough to undo the damage the haters do.
I'm not going back until the haters are gone.
@liw Are you concerned that this person might be misgendered? And does it not equally concern you that women are being fired from their jobs for identifying men as males?
@alex @liw So much context and empathy lost here. Murray is a non-binary who, in that quote, complained about TERF lesbians blocking the London pride march because it supported trans people - naturally, the insult didn't go to all (cis) lesbians. Maya got fired for refusing their pronouns and denying their identity. This picture taken from r/GenderCritical implies that having a beard and not calling yourself a man is disgusting and an attack towards (cis) women, which is dehumanizing.
@alex @liw Finally, you are presenting a dichotomy that does not exist, as Murray didn't displace Maya in her job - and in the global context, just by mere intuitive maths, there is no way trans people (which, remember, Murray is non-binary) are displacing cis women as such group far outweights the other, and if that ever happens it will be because everyone born with a vagina will have become trans. And one group's rights in no way contradict the other, and in fact join together as human rights.
@alex @liw First of all, I'll acknowledge the goalpost shifting you just did. Non-binary and overall trans validity is not a debatable question, and someone's discriminatory refusal to use a pronoun and the consequent job loss isn't a priority over people's dignity and lives, particularly with a minority that is disproportionately unemployed. Let's make that clear.
@alex @liw Being non-conforming and non-binary isn't the same but calling yourself differently. Being agender, bigender, genderfluid or anything not fitting within guy or girl isn't something one picks up just for acting rebel, nor an embracement or escapism of oppression - which comes from gender roles that non-binaries break. It's not merely wanting to dress this or that way or act this or that way. It's all about plurality.
@alex @liw It's about the plurality of how people can feel about themselves, how genders are interpreted and play into one's individual dynamic, acknowledging it's not linked to our body parts. We will free ourselves from gender roles not by telling us only sex exists, but by detaching and getting rid of roles, by making everyone free to be themselves without shame or polarization.
You can still be a femboy or whatever doesn't conform to your (cis) gender. Not everyone fits that.
@alex @liw (thread broken, continues at: https://spinster.xyz/@alex/posts/103348567658754019)
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