EU President, Donald Tusk, being criticised (in the UK) for this statement:

"I have been wondering what the special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it safely."

I don't see the problem. Hit the nail on the head. The truth hurts.

@fitheach I am pretty ignorant about EU politics, and legit thought this was going to lead into some alternate universe story about a walrus version of Donald Trump.

Brexit has long since "gone through the looking glass".

@fitheach Yeah, I thought it was a bit of a gift and a fraction clumsy, but it's hard to disagree with the sentiment. What always strikes me though, is how [passive?] aggressive and entitled it is that the English have a strategy of jumping down the necks of anybody who is speaking their language to a very high standard for the smallest nuance. They appear to say as little as possible themselves knowing that scarcely anybody at home is reading the European press. It's vile behaviour.

I watched a clip of Tusk speaking the words I quoted. It appeared to be unscripted, off-the-cuff remark. If you write down how people speak it often looks like clumsy language, even for native speakers.

However, I don't think that is the reason for the Brexiteers complaining. I think they know what he sid was true. That hurts them. The Leave campaign specifically avoided specifying what Brexit would look like.

Furthermore, the majority of Westminster MPs voted for activating Article 50 without any idea what Brexit meant or what it should look like. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

@fitheach They know it is true & they know how effective it is to lie about the intentions of EU politicians. Sadly, most of the media are complicit in this since giving them a kicking can get a rise out of many and get the ratings or the clicks or the circulation at a push. There is no way out of this. For Scotland, perhaps. For Northern Ireland, after a long hard slog that might be as painful as moments of the troubles, perhaps, but you're right; though some chase a dream, they know it's true.

@fitheach The truth is that there cannot even now be an exit ramp anybody could make for them. Not even a second referendum. They will keep on marching even as increasing numbers of the very people who led this begin to understand, through all the denial, that it will be a positive result. There is something so so specifically English about that. Orwell could figure it and write it down. Maybe Ford Madox Ford captured something of it in Christopher Tiejans. It's just sad and old and outmoded.

I wonder if people will see "the light of day" once Brexit happens. I suspect though that they will just blame the EU for any misfortunes. The media have been practising the "blame the EU game" for decades.

@fitheach The people I knew in Britain won't. They'll buy the line the whole time. They talked about Saddam when they were supposed to talk about Saddam, Osama when they were supposed to talk about Osama, and they will have been talking about the intransigence of the EU these last few years. The media, the political elites (all but a handful of the most powerful figures in both cases), they are anticipating a very hard transition and have been pre-loading the blame these last months.

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