Ever since the Court of Session decision this morning, I see all the Boris supporters are *raging*. One of the favoured suggestions is to re-build Hadrian's Wall to keep out the "Jocks".
Fine, by me. They don't seem to realise that a big chunk of the north of England would then be in Scotland.
2022 the UK breaks up.
2023 N Ireland, Scotland and Wales join the EU.
2024 England becomes an unincorporated territory of the USA
2025 Disney buys Cornwall from the crown in order to open a Victorian Theme Park. JRM as CEO
2026 Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Donald Trump have their first baby together.
2027 Northern England rebels, London fails to notice. Northern Assembly applies to join Scotland.
2028 Scotland allows northerners to join as long as they promise not to be silly
2022? That long? 😜
For sure, whether or not the UK ends out leaving the EU, it looks like the rise in English chauvinism is pushing a lot of former Unionists to think harder about joining the Republic.
It's also worth thinking about the basis of Unionism among Northern Prods. They're overwhelmingly Scots, and their sense of Britishness has more to do with Scotland than England. If the former becomes independent, that will leave them in a strange position.
> their sense of Britishness has more to do with Scotland than England.
Mmm, not sure about that. There are a lot of N. Irish with Scottish ancestry, that's true. Their distinctiveness has become defined by their religion (Protestant), and for many it is Calvinist in nature, which is another Scottish historical link. However, nowadays their Britishness and politics is more to do with "Empire" & Brexit.
There is also a football angle, but that is a whole different topic.
I didn't mean to imply that NI Prods are Scottish; they are 100% Irish, and their distinct identity is a mix of language, religion, history ... though I'm pretty sure the two groups in NI are distinguished by caste.
From family, talking to NI Prods, and reading recent history, it really seems that their Britishness has yes to do with Empire. But unlike Commonwealth Britishness, which is rooted in a Grand Englishness, Prods look to Scotland.
@altStuC @fitheach Nations are a part of human society at our current level of development. As with other features of bourgeois society, it is contradictory, and nationalism has positive and negative sides. National identity as such is perfectly legitimate. Nationalisms aren't all the same; the nationalism of the oppressed is not the same as the nationalism of an oppressor nation.
Which is again different than peoples. There are no good and bad people.
@fitheach nooo I'd have to cross the border on my commute.
Ooh, might be a bit awkward. If I remember correctly there would only be gates at every mile, and they won't be wide enough for two way traffic. Plus, the legionaries would want to do checks, anyway. I hope your Latin is up to scratch.
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