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So, Tim Berners-Lee is launching a plan to save the WWW, which he is calling "Contract for the Web". As part of the plan he has secured backing from Facebook, Google and Microsoft.

Anyone else see the flaw?

@fitheach If these companies are going to fund the project , won't it become easy for them to puch their propaganda ? Are creates of the project not able to figure that out ?

@usetab
Exactly!
Any actions/recommendations by Tim Berners-Lee are hardly going to criticise his major backers.

@fitheach sir Tim is acting like the 18 year old boy who is not able to decide if he loves her or want to break up. But most of the time Foss people are help less . They need the capital to build the community.

@usetab
It is almost as if TBL is doing this to keep himself in the limelight. Not only does he get some money from these companies, but he is seen to be serious because he has the backing of the mega-corps.

@fitheach @[email protected] I don't think so, most people don't know who he is unless they're geeks in which case this won't make their view of him more favorable. I think he genuinely cares about the future of the web. Did you read the document? There's good stuff in there, it would be a great success if companies actually stick to it. I mean I'd prefer TBL go full stallman but let's be realistic.
@fitheach I mean the EFF signed onto it too so I'm hopeful.

@georgia
In the UK, TBL is fairly well known, even outside the geek community. How well he is known in the rest of the world, I don't know. Clearly, he has used his "celebrity" to bring many tech companies on-board.

I have read the info at:
contractfortheweb.org/

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@georgia
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I wouldn't disagree with much, if any of it. However, TBL has stated that he doesn't expect organisations to adhere to all the directives. So, that leaves the door wide open. Plus, as I hinted at in my original post, If the major sponsors include the very companies causing much of the Web's problems, then I don't hold out much hope.

@fitheach honestly its much more likely this is a ploy for attention for the companies than for TBL

@georgia
Well, except it seems to have been TBL who came up with the idea. He then brought the companies on-board.

@fitheach how do you expect this to happen without participation from the corporates?

@atamariya
Yeah, I also believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus.

@fitheach it's important for the employee to understand on which side of the fence their employer stand so that they can act accordingly.

@atamariya @fitheach It is important to attend not what they say, but what they Do.

@gemlog @fitheach companies can't DO, employees can especially in a knowledge based company.

@atamariya @fitheach Corporations direct their employees to act in a certain manner, so in that sense corporations do things.

@gemlog @fitheach they direct, not force. Think about it- why don't the employees refuse?

@atamariya @fitheach Because they need to pay rent, buy food, educate their children, pay for medicines...

@gemlog @fitheach who knew an average employee at FAANG had the same insecurities as a shop floor worker despite earning multiple times more!!! Extend that analogy and you'll see why Mark or Bill won't care for the populace either.

@atamariya @fitheach We just hit a cultural problem, I'm sorry:

I don't know what is FANNG, Mark or Bill in this context at all.
Sorry.

@gemlog @fitheach Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google. Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates.

@atamariya @fitheach I think we are both on the same team, but merely failing to connect somehow.
I will sleep on it.

@atamariya @fitheach Sorry. Basically, because they are not, for the most part, organized into unions to balance the absolute power of the employers.

@atamariya @fitheach Put more directly: because they will be fired, let go, made redundant...

@fitheach there are a lot of problems with it, but the one you're looking for isn't just that these orgs are backing it, but that they're *willing* to back it. If it had any teeth they'd run screaming.

If you drill down into the details of the "contract" that's what you see: a bunch of ambiguous clauses open to broad interpretation at critical points.

Sunday's episode of Silicon Valley is sort of hilariously about the same thing.

@rook
TBL on the one hand wants the recognition by the big industry players, as that gives his big idea credence.

However, as you say, their involvement also destroys the likelihood that the Contract will achieve many (all) of its core objectives.

Silicon Valley? Is that a podcast?

@fitheach Silicon Valley is a television series by Mike Judge. Fiction, comedy.

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