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We need to remove inches* from measuring tapes, and have metric only. 50% of the time the metric scale is on the wrong side of the tape.

* For viewers in the UK only.

@dmoonfire
Well, indeed. However, not my place to say so. 😃

@rebello @fitheach I have relative goals (+1 year, +2, +4, +8) and absolute goals (age 32, age 64, age 128).

One of my age 64 goals was to see the metrification of the United States. Sadly, I'm running out of time. I'm probably going to be miss it, but I want it so badly.

@dmoonfire
What are your goals for age 128?

Didn't NASA once have an issue due to one team using imperial and another using metric?

@rebello

@fitheach

64-4. No more daylight saving in US.

128-1. End of time zones and the embracing of UTC across the entire world.
128-2. Standardization on ISO-8601 for all date formats.
128-3. US uses A* and B* paper sizes.

Yes, NASA is entirely metric but one contractor did work in Imperial but didn't communicate it properly. It crashed into the surface of Mars, IIRC.

@rebello

@dmoonfire
Scrapping DST is a good one, everyone should do that.

Just reaching 128 years would bemy goal. 😉

@rebello

@dmoonfire @fitheach You're both thinking of Mars Climate Orbiter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Cli

NASA is officially metric but a lot of programs are still in US customary units including SLS (because so much is Shuttle derived) and a lot of the US segment of the ISS.

@rebello

@edavies
Thanks. I vaguely remembered the story, not the details.

@dmoonfire @rebello

@dmoonfire

... ISO-8601... I dream about it almost every day...

@dmoonfire
Ookayyy, maybe at 12PM, or AM or… don't, know, first drink a pint* of beer,
or I'm drive away with bike, rolling on 28 inch wheels.
*) but imperial, or American pint?
@fitheach

@alm10965
An imperial pint (568ml) is a nice quantity when having a round of drinks. However, a half-litre (500ml) isn't far away, and is bigger than a US liquid pint (473ml).

I wouldn't be upset at losing the pint.

@dmoonfire

@fitheach I am surprised that metric only tapes aren't widely sold - irrespective of Brexit, building materials have been sold in metric for the bulk of my lifetime and every modern building plan and DIY guides I have seen use metric...

@vfrmedia
I know, I know. I've never used imperial measurementts. I was schooled using metric, and that is the system I've always used.

I've been doing a lot of DIY recently, and this issue has really hit home. It isn't always possible to turn the tape around to get the metric side closest to the thing being measured. Grrr!

@vfrmedia
Thanks!
I'm going to get one of those Stanley tape measures.

@fitheach
But you need to careful there too.
Does the tape with side by side metric (what you want) also read imperial in a stupid way?
The tape may say 123 inches - is that what you want? Or 10 foot x inches?
@vfrmedia

@gemlog
I wanted (have now ordered) a tape with cm/mm only.

@vfrmedia

@vfrmedia @fitheach Been putting “corrugated iron“ roof sheets up. They're still 3" “wavelength” which would be difficult to change, I'd think. Made up a little bracket to help with lifting them; it was 12" 32mm long 🙄

@edavies
have you got a cheap source for corrugated? It no longer seems to be the cheap option it used to be.

@vfrmedia

@fitheach Yeah, painful: mine was about £14/metre for the first batch earlier last year and £21/m for the most recent lot (0.7 mm plastic coated).

Paul Camilli on Raasay seems to be pleased with the prices he got from Planwell in Buckie: lifeattheendoftheroad.wordpres but they only do trapezoidal AFAIK and I specifically wanted sinusoidal to be able to match up to windows less badly.

@vfrmedia

@edavies
Those prices are even worse than I remembered. Does that include delivery?

@vfrmedia

@fitheach Yes, my usual supplier (Rembrand Timber) gives free delivery on orders over £250.

@vfrmedia

@edavies
At least, you won't need to order many sheets to reach a £250 order. 🙄

@vfrmedia

@Bobo_PK
Thanks for the offer. 😃
I've already ordered a "metric only" tape from an online seller. I also have a metric "Zollstock", although that isn't always useful in every situation.

@fitheach no, please for viewers all around the world too!

@daniel_bohrer
Indeed. Although I feel we should get things sorted at "home" first before criticising others.

@fitheach I picked up a tape measure on the continent, and it's great! The metric is always on the right side.

@gairsty
I've never seen a metric only tape in the shops. However, I have now ordered one from an online source.

@fitheach we have inches on those things in Sweden too, ca 130 years after the introduction of the metric system, so don't hold your breath.

@fitheach to be fair normally they have English inches, not the Swedish equivalent that was actually the norm here before the metric system. So if you deal with old buildings, you may need to also need to make sure not to mix up English and Swedish inches (or "tum").

@bkhl
It's great wen everyone has their own "standards". 🙄

@fitheach it's getting more standardized here though. Timber was measured in inches until a couple of decades ago but is now mostly metric too, and that was the main big holdover.

@bkhl
... and 3M will be the distance, not the manufacturer. 😃

@fitheach yeah, actually I was going to check if it said "London", which is what measuring sticks with English inch units used to say, but instead found it doesn't have inches at all.

@fitheach Tastes differ. I only buy measures with inches in addition to metric. Norway has had metric since forever, but plumbers and builders still colloquially measure dimensions in inches.

@fitheach Consider construction wood: "Two four" is easier on the mouth than "forty-eight by ninety-six", even though that is the actual and official dimension and has been in living memory. In all building supply stores in Norway, you will get what you want by using either. I grew up in a metric country but often prefer imperial measures. They are less logical and ergo feel more human. And in the case of construction wood, they are more convenient. I measure length in meters, though.

@aujawindar
That is true. Many of the old measurements were derived from a human scale. Perhaps we just need to have systems to describe, for example, wood sizes, similar to the ISO 216 used for paper.

I only measure things in metric units. The one exception is road distances, as signage here exclusively uses miles. Consequently, I also use "miles per hour" and "miles per gallon".

@fitheach Yes. I'm all for universal standards as long as we can freely deviate from them ;-)
But jokes aside: metric is far easier to use, but is effortless. You can't feel anything for it. It's just measures. Imperial measures are like humans: slightly counterintuitive and makeshift yet strangely coherent once you accept the quirks. It requires some involvement of the brain, and makes you warm and fuzzy. I'd like that that as much as possible in my life.

@jamie
Is that not an adapter from ½ inch to 15mm?

The two common water pipe sizes are 15mm and 22mm. Prior to their introduction (decades ago) there were imperial sizes which were similar, but, slightly different.

@fitheach It is. Taps and toilets still come with connectors described in inches, probably for the reason you state - but why not use millimetres? Can’t be that many bathrooms still using imperial pipe, surely?

@jamie
I've got an old house. There used to be a lot of imperial plumbing in the house, which I replaced with metric. I had to replace much of it as it was lead piping.

Perhaps, there is still a lot of imperial plumbing around, as basins, baths and toilets are long-lasting products. I don't know for sure.

@fitheach That’s true. I guess you don’t replace those unless they are broken.

@fitheach We live next door to a country whose population dwarfs our own and they use imperial.
All our highway signs are in metric, but our food stuffs are marked in odd sizes like 454g, because the machinery for packaging is from the usa - the only difference is that it has the french language on the label. The weather is always given in metric for e.g. temperature and wind speed, but our personal heights and weight are in feet/inches and pounds.
It's a bloody mess.
All our building materials are in imperial. Plywood and drywall come in 4'x8' sheets. Studs for wall construction is planed down 2"x4". Electrical wiring is measured in AWG.
You need a tape with dual measures here, but you could be a tradesman just fine with only imperial. Oh, but soda, vodka and milk come in even litres. Beer is in cans of 355ml or 473, which I imagine corresponds to some weird imperial thing. Go figure :-(
And then there is Sarah down there measuring things in chains for some reason :-) @Fritillaria2

@fitheach
Yes, you are correct, it's even worse than the litany I typed out there. I have numbers like (but not limited to) 3.78, 2.2046 and 454 baked into my small, pea-sized brain in order to make comparison to make comparisons.
@Fritillaria2

@gemlog
I can think of a few people that should be in chains. 😃

@Fritillaria2

@fitheach Me too! For some reason we have them as PMs and MEPs...
@Fritillaria2

@gemlog
How do you know a politician is lying?

Their lips move.

@Fritillaria2

@fitheach
Look at all the weird sizes - except for import bcliquorstores.com/product-cat
In other news, our government sells liquor. In fact, until fairly recently (few decades) you couldn't legally buy liquor except from the government.
We all speak a common language on fedi, mostly english, and we think we also live in similar countries... Nope.
@Fritillaria2

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