We published a statement on our stance on neutrality of free software (and why we won't stay neutral in this case): f-droid.org/en/2019/07/16/stat


You seem to believe that Gab is wholly composed of harassers. This is simply false.

The majority of Gab users are nothing like that. AND harassers exist on every platform.

Singling out Gab like this is silly.

The reason Gab has been seized upon is because it's popular with Trump supporters, and a lot of Trump opponents are desperate to do anything they can to prevent Trump 2020.


> The majority of Gab users are nothing like that.

And these Gab users don't seem to perform much action against the harassers that exist on that platform - contrary to many other places on the Internet, whose communities actually do something about the hate speech problem.


@phoe @fdroidorg

There's no such thing as "hate speech". There's only free speech. You may not like some of it. If you don't like it, don't listen.

@jhol @fdroidorg See, F-Droid doesn't like it. That's exactly why F-droid doesn't listen to it anymore.

@phoe @fdroidorg

Right... and I'm saying they're doing something idiotic.

"Hate speech" cannot be consistently defined. It is not a politically neutral term. If f-droid start trying to moderate political ideas on their platform, there's simply no way they can do so consistently.

@jhol Sure it can. "Hate speech is speech that attacks a person or a group on the basis of protected attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity" - that's via Wikipedia.

@phoe @jhol @fdroidorg let's see if that definition holds.

I have seen instance administrators vowing to let their users insult other users on the basis of their race and sex, as long as those insults are directed towards white men.

Is that hate speech?

@elsacodelcoco @phoe @fdroidorg

Someone did it to me in this very thread!

- I can't tell though, because he blocked me.

F-droid had better delete Firefox from their repository, otherwise someone might be able access this vile hate speech..

@jhol @elsacodelcoco @fdroidorg

Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is the elephant in the room that hardly anyone talks about. Free speech, free speech, but why is Gab so proud of performing and/or tolerating gestures that actively harm other people?


@phoe @elsacodelcoco @fdroidorg
F-droid really shouldn't get involved in this. There are bad actors everywhere.

If F-droid starts trying police these things through making political distinctions between apps, there's no way they can enforce it consistently with political neutrality.

If the big silicon valley tech giants can't do it, there's no way f-droid can.

@jhol @phoe @elsacodelcoco @fdroidorg

It's inevitable. F-droid is centralized and therefore obsolete.

@doomcultgames @jhol @elsacodelcoco @fdroidorg Why obsolete? It is a trusted resource, and trust is most often centralized.

(Unless you use a Web of Trust approach that has been attempted a few time in the past, and it was successful in a few communities - e.g. the Linux kernel community.)

@phoe @jhol @elsacodelcoco @fdroidorg

Once a centralized entity abandons neutrality, balkanization follows.

And it's impossible to stay neutral in this political climate where everything is fair game.

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