Okay people, we've seen #Mozilla degrade more and more for years, and we've always hoped it will find its way and get better.

Now people working on Developer Tools, #MDN, and the Rust team - arguably some of the most useful and valuable teams at Mozilla - have been laid off, to make space for more profit making activities.

This is utter bullshit.

But perhaps this is also an opportunity. The FLOSS community forked OpenOffice, XFree86, and other huge projects.





It's been done already, many times, Waterfox, Pale Moon ... it's a laudable goal, but this can't just be a branch started/managed by a dozen disgruntled ex-Firefox users.

The amount of work that goes into keeping FF in the game against Chrome is huge.

@nattiegoogie @rysiek Well uh, those all work fine though, except on sites that use fingerprinting then deliberately sabatoge themselves when they detect one of those browsers running. I call it the Chase test: whether you can fool the Chase company into thinking you’re using a browser they allow you to use.

@cy @nattiegoogie I remember having to complain to my bank that their online banking system does not work on Firefox. That was ~10y ago. I complained for months and pretty sure I was not alone, since eventually they made Firefox officially supported.

These things are not set in stone.

@nattiegoogie you're not wrong. But again, keeping LibreOffice developed and in the running against MSOffice is also a gigantic task.

And before LibreOffice there were some OOo forks and patchsets (ooo-build, Go-oo). It all fell into place the moment there was an organization to manage it -- The Document Foundation.


Exactly. I guess my point was just that a properly maintained FF fork — that is (ultimately) accepted by the web developers of the world — will require more than just a couple of motivated privacy advocates.

Have any ex-Mozilla employees joined this thread?

Is this idea being discussed anywhere else? (Website forum, Discord, IRC, etc)?

@nattiegoogie totally, this is a big thing.

Not that I know of, and no.

@rysiek @nattiegoogie There is already a Foundation dedicated to the development of Firefox and Free Software. It's called Mozilla. As bad as it is, it's not like they ceased to exist. They're still the organisation that's best equipped (financially) to run the development of Firefox.

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