How does anyone take seriously? I honestly don't understand. It has no usability.

@taoeffect Usability can be very subjective. I honestly don't find most Linux distributions, Windows, Mac or whatnot very usable. But that's highly subjective. Use what feels right to you, it's a tool, no more no less.

@raichoo OK, but I can also make an objective measurement: "Usability: the percentage of a population that is able to effectively use the software". So if that percentage is extremely small, as in the case of , it's considered unusable.

@taoeffect Apparently it's not unusable since people use it all the time and are very happy with it. I don't see your point? Why label something with such strong terms? I don't get what this kind of rhetoric is trying to achieve.

@raichoo OpenBSD has a lot going for it. We need a secure OS. But it’s doing nobody any favors by being unusable.

@taoeffect @raichoo

> But it’s doing nobody any favors by being unusable.

Right, so you never use OpenSSH, don't own an iPhone or an Android device, never manage servers with sudo and find no benefit in any openbsd.org/innovations.html from the project - good for you.

No one is preventing you from sending patches If you find it unusable, talk is cheap.

@mulander @raichoo I use OpenSSH on a daily basis, I own an iPhone, I manage servers with sudo, and appreciate many of 's benefits.

> No one is preventing you from sending patches

If I were to find the time to send patches in to an operating system, it wouldn't be to .

> talk is cheap

Ignoring a problem will magically make it better.

@taoeffect @raichoo

> If I were to find the time to send patches in to an operating system, it wouldn't be to #OpenBSD.

> Ignoring a problem will magically make it better.

diffs make things better, complaining about a system you never plan to contribute to achieves nothing.

Are you expecting someone else to do work that you yourself don't find important enough to get personally involved?

@mulander @raichoo Hey @mulander, question for you: which one of us is a developer working on , me or you?

@mulander @raichoo And while you think on that, perhaps also consider not asking people to waste their time.

@taoeffect @raichoo you are either trolling or utterly failing to understand that #OpenBSD is not a corporate entity with a budget allocated for specific tasks.

Any work done is performed by volunteers in areas of their own interest. You're running around claiming the system is useless while myself and plenty others use it as our daily drivers & fixing our own pet peeves.

As for the sshoted reply about the mailing list - that is our regular workflow, we go through the same process ourselves.

@mulander @raichoo

> you are either trolling or utterly failing to understand that is not a corporate entity with a budget allocated for specific tasks.

Saying something like that would be the definition of trolling, IMO, so quit trolling me.

> As for the sshoted reply about the mailing list - that is our regular workflow, we go through the same process ourselves.

Great, just cements not using in my mind.

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@mulander @raichoo And BTW, is a "corporate entity with a budget allocated for specific tasks".

So start acting like one!

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