@whirli I'm still a bit cautious after the Ubuntu phone. Jolla wasn't a great success either.
I have :)
Frankly, the UI and UX is perfect. The terminal app is one of the official, pre-installed apps from Jolla, and it's the best mobile terminal application I've seen.
Be warned though, the community distributions of sailfish do not include the android runtime required for android compatibility.
i.e. no android apps.
I'll try to find equivalent apps to what I use on Android, and if I can, I think I'll keep it.
@jonne @sunchaser I had to check to make sure that it actually is ok. It is! https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_fp2
@whirli Let's hope it doesn't all fall apart the way it did in the post-n900 era, where the entire community fragmented and never managed to deliver a real phone.
Delivering a phone based on a *real* GNU/Linux distribution with upstream free software running on it makes the whole prospect more hopeful by a lot though...!
@cwebber oh my beloved N900. I still have mine (with broken USB, of course). I need a keyboard on my phone.
But yeah, you're right about the risk of fragmentation. Fingers crossed that we get couple phones running gnulinux.
@whirli Ideally, Nokia should have done with Maemo what Google did later with Android. That is, go to other manufacturers and yell "TAKE IT! Take this platform and make your stuff, as many devices as possible! You don't have to worry about writing your own OS anymore, and you don't owe us a thing. It's ready, it's universal, it's versatile, TAKE IT!"
@whirli The guy who killed Maemo was Stephen Elop, who was a former high-level Microsoft guy. Incidentally, it just so happens that under his regime Nokia also introduced their lineup of Microsoft Windows Mobile phones, which led to Microsoft acquiring Nokia later.
I'm usually not much into conspiracy theories, but when there's tons of evidence of something happening, then yeah, I get suspicious.
@cwebber there's also the fact that Nokia had been flirting with Linux and FOSS for years. Maemo has been around since 2005 on their small tablets. There was a time that Nokia owned Qt. And as Symbian started showing its age a little bit too much, N900 was the first step towards commitment, as it was an actual phone. Then was N9, basically same deal, another step towards real OS oh a phone, now more streamlined and modernized.
But mr. Balmer can't have that, can he.
Microsoft <3 Linux you guys.
@whirli and as for fragmentation... I don't think it really can be worse than what Android did.
Android basically snapped the Linux ecosystem in half: Posix-compliant, Unix-like GNU Linux on the one side and Android Linux on the other side.
I haven't seen a case of fragmentation worse than this, even between Linux distributions. With a little bit of elbow grease, you can take a binary package from RPM and install it in Debian, and chances are it will run without any significant modification. Worst case scenario, you get the source code and build it. And then there's stuff like Appimages, which hybrid between MacOS X bundles and disk images - just take that one file and run it, it's amazing.
But you don't get to port an application from Unix part to Android and vice-versa, you have to pretty much rewrite it, because of how foreign this whole Android thing is. But yeah, it's still Linux. Not that it matters anymore.
@whirli The wake up pinch:
KDE's tried three times prior to make a linux phone or tablet, one even shipped.
So did Ubuntu
So did Mozilla
They all failed, much to my disappointment.
Let's hope ppl have learned from this and actively support the smaller players. Being the lemmings we are, I'm not holding my breath.
Many attempts to bring a nearly identical product to a already overflown market. Sadly, guess none of them will succeed at the end, no matter how good it'll be.
@meldrian pessimism works because you already know that shitty fucking thing won't work out after all. With positivism you are in danger of feeling disappointment and that is a big boy feeling. We don't like those.
But yeah. Sure. You might very well be right :(
@meldrian Hah! Agreed. That maybe came out too harsh. I thought I was trying to be funny and wanted to make you laugh at your own pessimism. gg whirli.
@meldrian those companies don't make the mistake to target the mainstream marked, instead they target the hacker and linux enthusiasts market, which is absolutely not overflown. Actually I can't think of any device in this area that is already released.
@meldrian we will need this developer devices to make the software side ready for a more consumer targeted products anyway.
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