Fuck Facebook and NFT.
WE are the real Metaverse. WE are the actual Web3.0. WE are open, decentralized, empowering, not THEM.

The world hasn't seen a network quite like Fediverse. Such networks need a name and a definition, and they STOLE it from us. They played you like a goddamn fiddle.

@drq
>The world hasn't seen a network quite like Fediverse.

But it has seen very similar ones, eg. SMTP and XMPP.

You can call it Web 3.0 if youbwant but we're merely getting back to where we were in the 90s.

Since most of the web has been regressing towards mainframe age during the last decade, you could call this a success. But we have ways to go.

@wolf480pl xmpp is homogenous. No node is different in function and presentation from another node. Fediverse is WILDLY heterogenous. Those are on completely different levels.

@wolf480pl
Samr goes for e-mail. All mail servers are ideally the same.

@wolf480pl
Heterogenous meaning everybody is free and even encouraged to do shit their own way, as long as they stay compatible. So we have microblogging, full-service social networks (Friendica), videohostigs and streaming services, photohostings, social playlist sharing services (Funkwhale), soon there will be social reading engine, there's already a game of fucking chess (castling.club), you name it.

@wolf480pl anyway, that's why Fediverse is different and why it's first of its kind.

@drq XMPP isn't all that homogenous - the core protocol may be the same for everyone, but different servers implement different sets of extensions, and then there are components like MUC, gateways to other protocols, HTTP upload, videobridges, etc., each of which does something different, and different implementations of each of those vary noticeably too.

There is also some variety across clients. Not as much as in case of Fedi - AFAIK Movim is the only one which tried doing a non-IM UI.

@wolf480pl @drq Defs agree here, XMPP is super diverse. Login to a few servers and see what XEPs the service exports to you and how it differs.

@deavmi
> Login to a few servers and see what XEPs the service exports to you and how it differs.

Again, it _may_ differ. But it gains nothing to the network as a whole, and just introduces complications.

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@drq @wolf480pl I think the main problem experienced with XMPP was a lack of a core set of XEPs implemented, but the ones I am referring to were definately extras (like the other guy said, videobridges) or Biboumi and Bitlbee shits
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Imagine you implemented a reddit clone on top of XMPP. Would it benefit from federating with the rest of the network? Would existing XMPP clients be able to interact with it in a meaningful way?

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@wolf480pl @drq It can definately. There may be more instances. I mean that is the ppint of XMPP, it's a generalised communications layer for certain systems that need a way to address a user in a meaninful way (examples resources), having authentication (ACL), etc.
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