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"Any human with above room temperature IQ can design a utopia. The reason our current system isn’t a utopia is that it wasn’t designed by humans. Just as you can look at an arid terrain and determine what shape a river will one day take by assuming water will obey gravity, so you can look at a civilization and determine what shape its institutions will one day take by assuming people will obey incentives."

-Scott Alexander, in
slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/

(Yes, I did just push this post twice in a day. It's really good, you should read it. :V)

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"Once a robot can do everything an IQ 80 human can do, only better and cheaper, there will be no reason to employ IQ 80 humans. Once a robot can do everything an IQ 120 human can do, only better and cheaper, there will be no reason to employ IQ 120 humans. Once a robot can do everything an IQ 180 human can do, only better and cheaper, there will be no reason to employ humans at all, in the unlikely scenario that there are any left by that point."

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@Angle This is a bit trash. The capabilities of a human aren't determined by their IQ. Same goes for computers. Computers will never be working their way up the IQ "food chain" like this. Anyway, if you're interested in this kind of deal check out Manna by Marshall Brain, basically talks about what happens to humans if robots don't need them anymore.

marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

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@Diff I agree that IQ isn't a particularly good measure of human capability - but the point still stands. Once machines can do everything a person can do, only cheaper and better, there will be no reason to employ that person.

@Angle Yep. What ended up happening in Manna was that basically every human ended up in a highly efficient housing totally reliant on government handouts with no way to become self-reliant again. The ones that weren't there were trapped working insane hours for basically no pay without any human contact although if robots could take the jobs of humans then even those humans would be trapped jobless.

@Diff Haha yeah. Though honestly, I actually expect this to end with most of us just being slowly killed off while the fewer and fewer people who own the robots come to own more and more of the world. :/

@Angle Yep, unfortunately I doubt that you're too terribly far off there.

@Angle @Diff si.
Some friends of mine only remember the oz part and see it as uplifting. I read the NA part and read it as an immediate threat, doable and terrifying.

@Diff @Angle I admire who you're citing. (Brain and Alexander.) :)

@Diff @Angle ugh the first half of this is interesting, don't care much for the second half of the chapters, and the writing's... not the best.

@Angle @Diff the first half is v convincing and cool, tho

@er1n @Diff I agree with the general arc of the story - though I expect things to be a lot messier, more violent, and more vicious. :/

@er1n Yeah, didn't like the super drastic topic switch halfway though. Totally abandoned the world that was set up to go and find another.