@angristan surprised that Tech Republic would write something like this but I agree nonetheless, it doesn't serve much of a purpose these days post-patent expiration and how everything is now available in the installer

@machetebadger @angristan Personally, I disagree. I use Mint because it doesn't set all updates for installation by default, while Ubuntu et al. only allow to disable kernel updates. Fact is many things are too risky to update + break stuff. Also LM guarantees a long support period. Mainline Ub has long support too, but the same can't be said for the DE derivatives. Meanwhile I can still use LM 18.3 (based on U 16.04) until 2021. And I use MATE, so LM isn't equivalent to Cinammon for everyone.

@lmintmate @angristan that is an extremely backwards reasoning for security updates. Ubuntu never breaks in the first place with regular updates (can't say the same if you start using ppa's tho) and Ubuntu spins are a meme, just use mainline and install the DE through it, satisfying both constraints. I run Fedora, something that's very close to bleeding for nearly 4 years and not a single dist-upgrade broke anything, which Ubuntu could never do in the same vain unless you barely used the system. Again, as I said, Mint solves no problems while introducing countless more, including but not limited to:
+ Package conflicts
+ Security non-forbearance (both in package updater and website in general, though better than Manjaro at least)
Otherwise, from what I can gather in this post, this is another misconception of 'distro-tied-to-DE' and the reason countless of these spins exist and drop like flies simultaneously. I do hope your views change over time, as I'm not going to blame you since I thought the same way when I first started out. Mint was a great beginner distro, but its purpose is served justly.

@machetebadger @angristan I know I can install a DE on top of a distro with another DE, but I'd first have to be careful to install all of the packages that comprise said DE, and things can still go wrong that way. E.g. when I first wanted to try MATE, I installed it on top of LM Cinammon. Maybe I missed some packages (see above) but this didn't work at all for me - thankfully, I had used a VM. Spins with DEs thus make easy to try DEs without having to figure out which packages are needed (cont)


@machetebadger @angristan Also, maybe I was just lucky, but for me LM has generally just worked, while last time I tried e.g. Ub Mate, it showed me an error message like "Report this to Ubuntu?" -which brought me flashbacks from Windows- just because I switched the desktop layouts a little too often, because I wanted to try all the different layouts. As for security, I think some concerns are overblown, but also if anything happens to me security-wise I'll only have myself to blame. (cont.)

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@machetebadger @angristan (I said that because I get the feeling that some people are afraid that new users affected by security issues would blame Linux in general, and they thus get all defensive and demonize LM as a result). At any rate, I wouldn't like for Linux Mint to disappear - if it did, I'm now experienced enough to be able to switch to another distro: Ubuntu Mate, or Kubuntu, or even Debian Stable, but the beginners won't have something that just works. Thanks for reading.

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